Jim Rogers: Bullish China and Commodities

Sunday, April 13th, 2008

In this week’s Barron’s interview (Jim Rogers, Light-Years Ahead of the Crowd: Interview With James B. Rogers, Private Investor), with Laurence Strauss of Barron’s, Jim Rogers, author of Investment Biker, notable hedge fund manager and former partner of George Soros discusses his point of view on China, commodities, and the US economy. Here are some excerpts: On China: 

Why are you so bullish on China?

 

China is going to be the next great country. The 19th century was the century of the U.K. The 20th century was the century of the U.S. The 21st century is going to be the century of China. Even if I’m wrong, there are 1.5 billion people who speak Chinese every day, so it’s not as if our daughter is learning Danish. Even if she winds up working in a Chinese restaurant, she is going to be the maitre d’ — not the dish washer.

 

What else intrigues you about China?

 

China was in decline for 300 years and then around 1978 Deng Xiaoping said, “OK, let’s find something new.” He reintroduced entrepreneurship and capitalism to a country that has had a long, long history of both. In China they save and invest more than 35% of their income; in America we save less than 2%. The Chinese work from dawn to dusk. When they come to work, they don’t say, “How many holidays do I get?” They want to live like we do in America and they are willing to work hard, save and invest for the future.

 

What about investment opportunities in China?

 

Perhaps the safest investment is the renminbi, the Chinese currency. I don’t see how the renminbi should not go up against the dollar, anyway, for the next several decades. Commodities, of course, are a great way to invest in China. If you have nickel, they will take you to dinner, pay for dinner and pay you on time. They have to buy commodities. And there are some industries in China that are going to do well, no matter what happens to the world economy — water treatment, for instance. China has a horrible water problem that it is doing something about.

 

What other industries in China look interesting?

 

Agriculture. Mao Zedong [who ruled China from 1949 until his death in 1976] totally ruined agriculture. China now is spending huge amounts of money trying to rebuild agriculture. The same goes for power generation. Another growing industry is tourism; the Chinese have not been able to travel for some 300 years, for a variety of reasons. But now the government is making it much easier to get passports, and they are encouraging travel.

On Commodities:

 

Are we still in the early stages of a bull market for commodities?

 

I wouldn’t say it’s early; the commodities bull market started in early 1999. There are going to be corrections — and big ones — along the way. That’s true for every bull market.

 

But nobody has brought on any new supply of anything in the past 25 or 30 years. The last gigantic oil field was discovered in the 1960s. The number of acres devoted to wheat farming has been declining for more than 30 years. Food inventories are the lowest they’ve been in 60 years.

 

 

Our colleague Gene Epstein argued in a recent Barron’s cover story that there is a huge speculative element pushing up commodities prices.

 

But where is the oil coming from that’s going to drive down prices and keep them down? We are going to have corrections, as was the case in 2001 after 9/11. Is there speculation in commodities? Of course. Whenever you have a bull market, it draws money. If the fundamentals are right, investors make money and they want to make more. But people were buying commodities for 20 years in the 1980s and 1990s and nothing happened, because the fundamentals weren’t right yet. Now that the fundamentals are right, more money is going into commodities. It will end in a bubble and hysteria. But in 2018, or whenever this bubble finally starts to peak, if I’m lucky you will call me up and I’ll say it’s time to sell commodities.

On Emerging Markets:

 

Why have you sold most of your emerging market holdings?

 

Take Africa as an example. It’s a natural- resource-based economy, so a huge fortune is going to be made there in the next 10 years. Many countries will look a lot better because they do have lots of natural resources.

 

Having said that, right now there are probably 15,000 MBAs on airplanes flying around the world looking for emerging markets, some of which are now called frontier markets. I’ve been investing in these markets for many years and all of a sudden they have a name. That’s why I have sold all my emerging markets except China and Taiwan.

 

But I hope I’m smart enough that if and when there is a big correction, I’ll be able to buy back some of those holdings.

We’ve seen the correction in emerging markets…

Finally, a comment on the US economy as a debtor nation…

 

As recently as 1987 the U.S. was a creditor nation. We are now the largest debtor nation the world has ever seen. We owe trillions. That’s with a “t.” The real problem is that that our foreign debt is increasing at a rate of $1 trillion every 15 months. You can do the arithmetic.

For a complete transcript of this article click this link: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=132805

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